Wednesday Memo

Hi Five Oakers,

I have four things I want to share with you today.

#1- Great weekend of worship. I was drawn closer to God and the wonder of God's love by it. I never tire of seeing our students in the band or vocal team. It was fun to see Jason Kramer playing guitar. Been a while, I think. I loved the opening song. Justin told me he will soon put it into a worship set. 

#2- Check out the songs and prayers from last weekend here.

#3- Here are your comments from the Communication Cards.

  • Great message today Henry! I really like the Jesus in the driver’s seat analogy.
  • Great message today! Honestly delivered.
  • Forgiveness is ever ready – ever ready even before the “sorry” is said. We have a spirit of forgiveness like Christ. Who loved us before we repented? Forgiveness is exponential. Thank you Pastor Henry for preaching the words of Christ. 
  • Henry, always love how you give us “practical” tips on how to be a child of God.
  • Thank you! Yes twenty minutes of spiritual food per week is not enough. No wonder so many of us are starving in Christ. So glad for the challenge and encouragement. Great rebuke or kick in our butts. It was gently, but so needed.
  • Pastor Henry, so I really needed this sermon, so I had to hear it twice to get it to sink in! thanks for preaching the truth to us in love, honesty, and boldly even when we’re getting a good “spiritual spanking”. Missed you while you were getting refreshed, but so glad you took time out.
  • I want to be under the human radar but am low flying with God and Pastor Henry.

#4- Normally Saturday night gets a little more than Sunday (I often make a few cuts since we need a good transition time between services on Sunday), but this week I said something extemporaneously on Sunday that I wish I had shared on Saturday. Here's what I said and something I'd like to add to it. To paraphrase myself, "Can you imagine blaming the gym for you being out of shape. 'If they only had that machine my friend's gym has I would be in better shape.' No, you'd never do that. But that's exactly what we do when we blame the church when we are spiritually stalled."

Let me add, there are many reasons we may feel dissatisfied with our church or its leadership, but it's never appropriate to blame our church for our own spiritual malaise. This is true even if our church has gone bad. I can't think of a more spiritually and theologically dysfunctional church than the one Paul planted in Corinth. Those poor folks had nowhere else to go since they were the only church in town (meeting in homes throughout that city). But I don't think any Corinthian Christian could make a case before God that they were unaccountable for being personally stunted and stalled on account of their messed up church. We are all vitally connected as a body of Christ (a bad church and poor leadership and teaching does impact us and grieve God), but we are ultimately personally responsible for our spiritual condition.

#5- Here's the video from our River Baptism service. I love it.

God bless you all the remainder of this week, Pastor Henry

Weekend Message Q&A

Here are the questions from this week's message. Remember, if you have questions after a message, email questions@fiveoakschurch.org.

Q -  In light of the command to forgive unceasingly I have 2 questions: (1) When is it appropriate for the Christian to establish healthy boundaries? Thinking of the abusive situations, the cheating spouse, the parents who are dysfunctional even when their child is an adult, or even a friend at school that bring down the high schooler and starts to pull them away from staying strong in their faith when I ask this. In my situation, with many unbelieving, unrepentant family members, a parent who beat and verbally abused all of us kids at various levels and continues to deny harm.....I had to work through this with a Christian counselor. Forgiving this was the hardest thing I have ever done and, unlike God it wasn't something I could instantly do. It was a process for me to work through it. Does that fact mean the inability to instantly forgive again and again like God mean that is sin? Forgive and forget 
makes me cringe because I believe God forgets in such a way he no longer holds it against us, yet he is all-knowing and doesn't really forget where we came from and we shouldn't either. I had to surrender the revenge towards my mom to God, who knows her heart and her reasons for what all she did. (2) Do you recommend a solid book about forgiveness and how to live it out unceasingly? I know I still have a layer in my forgiveness onion to unfold, ripe off, and throw away.

A - This is precisely the type of question I hoped to get. Thanks for sending it in. It was simply impossible to deal with this topic in any kind of depth, and to broach the topics you raise would have added another 20 minutes (minimum) to the message.

Here’s my answer to part 1: Take all you stated as a question and turn it into statements and that’s the answer. I agree with everything you wrote about forgiveness, how hard it is, boundaries, forgetting, etc. And, as I’m sure you know because you’ve dealt with this personally in such depth, it is not a sin to be in the process of forgiveness as long as you don’t act on feelings of revenge and seeking to hurt the people you’re learning to forgive.

Two books I recommend on this whole topic are Boundaries: When to Say YES, When to Say NO, To Take Control of Your Life by Henry Cloud and John Townsend and The Peacemaker: A Biblical Guide to Resolving Personal Conflict by Ken Sande.

Q - Wondering about the context/scope of the message, especially when it comes to “rebuking”.   The passage mentions “brothers”, is it correct to interpret that as “fellow believers”?   If not, it seems like my approach would need to be different for a fellow believer vs a non-believer (two different frames of reference).

Also, I struggle with the line between rebuking and holding my brother accountable, and the idea that I’m judging them, when judging is not really my duty.   There are certainly times when sin is clear, but often the situations are not so clear, and a “judgment” about what’s right and what’s wrong needs to be made.

I’d appreciate any words of wisdom and direction…

A - Yes, this has to do only with fellow disciples for the reason you give—it’s between “brothers.” I also agree that the line between seeking to restore an unrepentant brother and being judgmental is hard to distinguish. I think that’s why the Bible addresses this in many places and gives so many qualifiers (e.g., gently, with patience and teaching, humbly). Humility, love, a spirit of forgiveness, a caring brotherly relationship and spiritual discernment have to be applied. It’s so tempting not to act at all, out of fear of being judgmental or off-base, not to mention how uncomfortable this can be. But if we understand what Jesus is talking about, it would be selfish to let those fears predominate in our lives.

Let me say that I’m chief of avoidance. I hate “rebuking.” But as I was answering your question it occurred to me that if I would approach these kinds of situations tentatively—leading with questions and avoiding accusation—and humbly, even admitting my fears to the “brother,” I might not only be more willing to act, I might also avoid many of the potential pitfalls.

Q - I’ve gotten a new view of verses 7-10 that I’d like to get your opinion on: Most people have interpreted this passage as you have and even my Bible publisher titles it as ‘Faith and Duty’. However, I’ve heard someone tie 7-10 more closely (I believe) to the disciples request for faith rather than assuming Christ went in a completely different direction to talk about humility and duty.

For instance, could it be that Christ was talking about the ‘unprofitable servant’ in a derogatory way and as a contrast of true faith, as Christ so often did use contrasts? Maybe this is kind of a retelling of the idea of the fearful and unfaithful servant who hid his talent; i.e., the one who has to be told every move to make and who considers the work of God as a tedious duty? The opposite of the unprofitable servant is the person who has the attitude/faith of a son and is invested in the family business (so to speak). Such an individual doesn’t need to be supervised in their every step and they understand that they've been given the keys/authority to advance the Kingdom of God on earth just as Christ had been doing…..

I really liked it when I heard this explanation of this passage so I thought I’d give it to you to kick around.

A - Very interesting, and possible. I haven’t seen this interpretation in all my research, but I think it’s possible. I’d have to look more into it, but it would tie quite closely to the whole idea of faith risking more, to the parable you mention and to the parable of the Prodigal Son from chapter 15 (especially the elder brother who “slaved” for his dad, doing his duty, but missing the boat altogether). Yes, very interesting!

The reality is that while only one of these interpretations is right, both are true in terms of what the Scriptures teach. A very important principle for biblical interpretation that was emphasized by Luther and the Reformers is that all interpretation need to jive with the rest of Scripture. It's common sense and keeps people from going off the deep end with bad interpretations.